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00:01:30: Hello and welcome everybody to The Conference Episode of Reject and Resubmit Today as well.

00:01:38: usual I am joined by

00:01:41: Marco, Philipp

00:01:43: and myself Alexander.

00:01:46: We're broadcasting recording live from Copenhagen Barely Copenhagen I think

00:01:54: Copenhagen South

00:01:56: Copenhagen adjacent at the Bella Center.

00:02:01: And today we want to give you short little insights From our perspective.

00:02:09: have things changed over time and how it is like now to go to conferences, what we do.

00:02:15: What we enjoy?

00:02:16: We do less of or more off?

00:02:19: so yeah I think i'd like everybody here now in officially assistant professor positions.

00:02:29: has this influence impacted the way you go about attending conferences?

00:02:40: I start on a bright note because I'm here with good friends of mine that are not assistant professors yet.

00:02:46: And the good thing is, it's less stressful as you're more aware about what sessions to attend and whatnot.

00:02:54: You don't need to network with every single individual Because by now we almost bump into one adjacent colleague in a way, so it's I think less stressful than... ...I feel like its also less taxing.

00:03:10: At least when i look into one of my roommates and every day is way more stressfull for him then he does to me.

00:03:17: Turning the darker sides.. ..I feel you are more or less obliged on going to certain sessions Like In My Case.

00:03:28: I'm not required but people nicely say hey we see each other at Like, today there was this ceremony in the morning and like.

00:03:38: honestly I would have loved to sleep for one-and-a-half hours but other than that... ...I ended up watching people getting awards.

00:03:46: One enough hour then clapping.

00:03:47: so it's kind of nice!

00:03:49: But as a PhD student you wouldn't be required to go there.

00:03:57: So i think thats kinda major or different point from my view.

00:04:03: I didn't take that.

00:04:04: Yeah, you're right now.

00:04:05: someone said to me how yeah sure and it just didn't go but your right actually

00:04:10: Two different kind of people.

00:04:14: It's a diverse podcast after all.

00:04:18: How about you have things changed for if they had at all?

00:04:21: Um...I think what changed little bit is more and more its moving out the sessions then trying to meet people.

00:04:30: I think i said that last year already, so it's just a continuation of this.

00:04:33: And there can also attest to being here with the position is way nicer than on job market and you see friends who are in the job markets very different experience.

00:04:43: but what we will also perceive as due.

00:04:46: more people know about you feel more on the platter still yeah

00:04:51: no thats why they can coerce into going

00:04:53: right.

00:04:54: if your just random PhD student nobody would ask.

00:04:57: And also what I find interesting is that when you are a PhD person, and you're primarily evaluated based on your potential but we now move into this phase where the potential has to be followed by concrete results.

00:05:15: So people aren't just happy about it because they might come out as good scholars or something like that!

00:05:26: which is also fine, but I feel that this just changed the experience a little

00:05:33: bit.

00:05:33: Yeah!

00:05:33: Basically it's my experience as well... It was less about thinking back to first conferences and putting together a massive program going through paper sessions being very nervous about everything And now really the opposite of avoiding paper sessions and meeting people or talking with friends.

00:05:56: I think at some point what will really happen, which the one thing that I regret is going into this little more strategic.

00:06:06: This actually a great menu and certainly not secret but if you've got something to submit or ready-to-submit to seek out the senior editors And just say hey...I have this project about this paper that i'm thinking of sending.

00:06:24: You know, what you think.

00:06:27: I heard of a few people doing that and That's actually i think extremely helpful.

00:06:32: Would you do that if you notice the editor?

00:06:34: Personally through contact or would you also do it If you have never spoken

00:06:38: to that person?

00:06:39: I mean...I think you just Do It Really strategically about..if its truly as a senior editor that you want To send your paper too regardless if you Know him or not.

00:06:48: I mean if you know him why would he need to come here?

00:06:50: He can give them a call but this is like The venue where You know, I guess nobody's super excited if you're an editor and everybody wants to talk about it.

00:06:59: But this is explicitly what we are here for as an editor because these are the few days where... ...you just have to be a good citizen and say that everyone who wants to meet with me now has time or five days.

00:07:15: No way!

00:07:16: Yeah exactly.

00:07:18: You both organized, suppose your PWs?

00:07:21: Oh yeah.

00:07:21: And i was part of one But I didn't do anything with the organizing part of it.

00:07:26: How was that experience?

00:07:27: What did you take out of it, would you do again and how do you perceive them?

00:07:32: Yeah i think compared to individual paper sessions It certainly provides a way more visibility because your name is attached through entire session And in this regard its helpful for putting on the map especially if it's for topic or even people who never met were like Aya!

00:07:48: I saw you have had a session.

00:07:50: That wouldn't be the case.

00:07:52: quote-unquote only a paper.

00:07:54: However, the workwise it's I guess also closer to becoming an editor in a way because you will have to revise things and ask authors once again maybe provide them with feedback... In my case papers were very adjacent.

00:08:11: now they narrowed down Full disclosure, we were not accepted for the division.

00:08:20: We're hoping to be accepted at.

00:08:22: Scandalous!

00:08:22: What's the name of this division?

00:08:24: Not disclosed here but we got accepted by another one that I kind-of half heartedly put into the application.

00:08:31: and now i had to shift the entire symposium.

00:08:33: so it was quite a lot work.

00:08:36: So in this regard... It is a lot of work And you don't have paper on end right?

00:08:42: You've got the symposium But that's pretty much it, and I know from symposiums... ...I've been involved in earlier.

00:08:51: That you get some random requests via a research gate where people want to read the symposium.

00:08:56: but that is pretty much

00:08:58: so.

00:08:58: You did this symposium not at PDW?

00:09:00: No no, I organized the symposium was involved with PDW.

00:09:03: Okay yeah because we were thinking So we organize the PDW And i have to say.. ..i feel like that as the ultimate pack To go about AOM Because The effort was not zero, but it was much less than having to... I don't know.

00:09:20: All of a sudden you have put together some paper submission and then what's the reward?

00:09:26: Nothing like you just presented.

00:09:27: nobody cares with a BDW.

00:09:31: It really was it.

00:09:31: think about how does that all connect?

00:09:34: But from my side everybody we contacted agreed to be parts or said they can't take part, but only because we've already accepted too many ADWs.

00:09:46: So getting people to join... They never had contact with eighty percent of them and still were really happy and grateful that we got in touch.

00:09:55: We're you know happy to present happy to do this And it feels like an ultimate hack Like I was also told a colleague of mine who's thinking about the job market next year is.

00:10:08: I feel like the ultimate thing to do is get together with maybe a senior co-author.

00:10:14: Tell him, can we organize at PDW?

00:10:17: Ask if you're senior scholars Get your paper With that guy on it as well That he'll be presenting And then through the cherry on top Usually would have also seen already Like some person saying Yeah i don't know.

00:10:28: thanks Blah blah for organizing the PDW.

00:10:31: By the way He's in market.

00:10:33: Great work interviewing.

00:10:37: That's like the best you could possibly do and it has not even as much effort is submitting a paper.

00:10:45: Yeah, that's what I took away from it.

00:10:46: so maybe i'm an outlier here but for me this PDW organization was really nice And there were lots of fun getting in touch with all those people having the chance to talk about them.

00:11:00: How important would it be?

00:11:01: in contact with new folks that help, so did you stay in contact a little bit with those who joined the symposium and requested

00:11:14: it?

00:11:14: No.

00:11:15: I don't know... should i...?

00:11:21: Yeah!

00:11:23: You could probably optimise more to do even better but this is your first time and unless something happens It's certainly something I want to do again next year.

00:11:35: Thinking about it, doing it repeatedly... What helps is that you've already got your structure and can submit it again.

00:11:43: They're happy to accept this in a second time rather than the first one.

00:11:46: The only thing at some point depending on the kind of PDW symposium you are organizing.... ...I'm wondering what point could we recycle people?

00:11:57: Like the first time it was easy just like, okay anybody.

00:12:00: but now next time we might have invited those in last years and then need to do another search for people that are on a similar field.

00:12:08: And I'm wondering at what point is gets you know hard too find new people join the PDW But yeah That's really something For me at least.

00:12:18: It always felt very daunting.

00:12:20: I don't about you guys.

00:12:23: Also, I don't know if people told you but they said like oh You really should organize a PDW run the job market Mm-hmm.

00:12:29: and I always thought yeah.

00:12:30: I mean that's nice for you to say But how the hell am i going?

00:12:35: To you know come up with a topic And then get seniors to join mine.

00:12:39: Yeah It was much easier than

00:12:42: me.

00:12:42: it feels Like more senior thing to do right there, but I think we're not at this stage.

00:12:47: Yeah Thanks For sharing.

00:12:51: Other than that, what has your non-academic program changed anyway?

00:12:58: Unfortunately not.

00:13:02: I did use the opportunity to go to the socials as well and meet with friends... ...I have to say that i do find a social aspect of it.

00:13:09: so also partying a little bit spending time with friends very valuable because in the end sometimes rather lonely work you will dependencies in your local faculties.

00:13:22: So I am friends with my colleagues, yes but obviously there are also other issues going on.

00:13:28: But you meet friends here who share the same experience... ...but not in the same context and then just talk about how it feels what they struggle with And i think that this is very valuable makes their entire work overall more social because you're less alone With all of these issues than topics And I take a lot out of this as well, even though it might not directly relate to work in that sense.

00:13:56: Yeah for me so...I mean i notice now the socials are really social at first time because they do remember past few ones.

00:14:07: yes was fun and you could let your hair down but same time I always felt the obligation like, oh should i actually be you know talking to this person that?

00:14:21: Don't really feel like talking too but it's probably a good idea To talk to them and have make like a good impression.

00:14:26: But now is really just about no catching up with friends meeting new people for the sake of You Know Just having a good time.

00:14:32: Yeah

00:14:34: I didn't do that to be honest.

00:14:36: I find it always a bit odd if you like really try to push someone into conversation because You think It might Be valuable.

00:14:42: but they are there also for A good time and If an interesting Conversation emerges, i'm happy To chat But then would struggle with yeah hey?

00:14:51: I know your work Blah blah blah and Then tried to Try to lure them Into the longer conversation.

00:14:57: if they just Also Just want to hang out With their friends And have a few beers

00:15:02: Guarantee the eleven p.m at a social.

00:15:04: is it time senior editors want to hear?

00:15:06: I don't think that senior editor's

00:15:09: idea.

00:15:12: Yeah, yeah To me It's...I feel like back in the days.

00:15:17: So just say as a PhD student you came there with kind of The bunch of other PhDs You met at PHD consortia or That are in your school Or whatever.

00:15:26: But now I feel more like a social butterfly.

00:15:28: So, oh!

00:15:31: And then this is my colleague from Mitrecht and they are friends of Freie University in Amsterdam.

00:15:36: so it's more...I don't know…I'm everywhere at the same time.

00:15:40: This was good or bad because I felt like ticking boxes meeting people getting to catch up with them but also noticed that yeah..it isn't as meaningful They don't need to be because some of them have been forged for quite a few years now.

00:15:57: But I really noticed that yeah, it is just like keeping this level.

00:16:01: It's quite exhausting and takes so much time That its hard to forge basically new bonds.

00:16:07: if you want put it Like that

00:16:08: as interesting Because i think that's

00:16:11: cultivating the weak ties Leads lot Of water and beer

00:16:16: And For me Its like A bit of The opposite.

00:16:18: like I'm I Really am I really enjoy cultivating the strong ties.

00:16:23: Like, I was really happy to just ditch every social two days ago... ...to hang out with a friend of mine that I met in the US and have beer because it's hard for me to enjoy my time talking to them about anything.

00:16:41: so these conferences are opportunities where people like what they hardly ever see And here is a chance where I can go out for dinner with them.

00:16:51: You know, really deeply catch up rather than try and see how many more connections I could make.

00:16:58: So this depends on whatever you like to do but it's something that i really enjoy...and don't feel bad now because of the first time.

00:17:07: But hey!

00:17:08: You know what?

00:17:10: I just want to catch-up two or three of us.

00:17:16: you know, let's go to this party then we can talk for ten minutes and I could talk about five minutes.

00:17:20: To fifteen German Mackenzie students!

00:17:27: But okay.

00:17:29: so partying and making connections both academically on a friendly basis yeah i mean...

00:17:40: You want it slightly

00:17:40: different notes?

00:17:42: I feel like...I'm getting

00:17:43: older.

00:17:46: Back in the days, I could easily live off coffee and cookies for three days obviously a couple of years but now i need to take a break get juice or anything healthy into my body because otherwise you really notice that energy level is plummeting.

00:18:06: so self-care also needs something At least from my point of view, becoming slightly more important.

00:18:13: Do you feel that I can do it?

00:18:15: I mean...I get a bit better at taking care to eat but how do you feel about getting better over time?

00:18:24: Baby steps!

00:18:26: Incremental and I'm currently focused on the marginal gains.

00:18:32: so having an extra glass of water in the morning carrying my water bottle around with me to stay hydrated I don't know, standing.

00:18:40: In the meantime not only sitting all day.

00:18:42: so in this regard yes getting slightly better.

00:18:46: I'm on a strict bread bun and coffee diet over at home five days.

00:18:50: it's really fucking me up!

00:18:52: I would love to smoke!

00:18:58: Yeah, next time when it's in Paris we need to get a. that's gonna be your badge.

00:19:02: Just give me a pack of cigarettes with AOM on them.

00:19:05: or

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00:19:16: yeah like at three p.m.. I was again here.

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00:19:21: go to one session Get my body shutting down and then I'd say I needed to take my Tram back home and just sleep, which I think will have to do today again.

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00:22:33: I've said

00:22:42: one word wrongly last time and it still haunts me.

00:22:45: It's so

00:22:45: pleasant, right?

00:22:46: But everything else is shit now.

00:22:47: The analyst has

00:22:48: already said patronizing... I have said petalistic.

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